Fierce Love Life with Nicole Sugihara
hey everyone, welcome to the Meaningful Revolution podcast. I'm your host and certified high perform performance coach Shawn, and today we have a returning guest, a personal friend of mine who, last time we talked about the power of rituals and we are going to really dig into what she's doing right now and I'm really excited to welcome Nicole Sugi Harris and welcome Nicole.
Hello everybody. How are we?
The Meaningful Revolution podcast has progressed. we focused a lot more on talking about meaningful pursuits, and I started asking people a new question, and I'll ask you this right off the bat, but, could you tell me, if you could start a meaningful revolution to improve the world, what would you title it and why?
I would title it Living the[00-01-00]
Love Life, and why I think I would call it that is because I. I work my whole company and everything that I do is about living a fierce love life and having that discernment and distinction between when, how to basically blend. I'm not gonna even say balance. I'm just gonna say blend.
How we blend our fierceness, which is that fiery,
drive passionate side of ourselves with that loving, tender, sweet, gentle side of ourselves. And then creating, using those to basically u, utilizing those two forces to create a life that is meaningful for yourself and for other people around
So I'm curious, like how did, like why the words fierce love life, like how did those words come into being?[00-02-00]
Oh, that's a great question.
okay, so why the duality, is really what the question is. Like why, what, why is the duality there? Like why isn't just like the fierce life or why isn't just no love life? because I think that each, within each of us, there's this intricate. Force of like dark light, shadow light, masculine, feminine, and then all of those spaces in between and the interweaving or balancing act, right?
Of all of those forces that are within ourselves. I don't, I, because over the course of my life so far, I
have always tried
to be like a loving, good, kind person, and that's great. I definitely, I definitely say go with that. and at the same time, that's not [00-03-00] necessarily, there needs to sometimes be that fire or that charge, that heat, that passion that gets mixed in there to, create more of a force.
To be able to get the things that you wanna get done, that you do love, and that you do feel,
like excited about. Sometimes you need a little bit more heat to get that stuff done. And that's, I feel like that's where a lot of the time the passion lives in the fierce part, not so much in the love part.
I think a lot of the time we think that the passion that we have lives in the love, and I think it might live in both places, but I do believe that to be able to create action and to. Be able to just sometimes get out of bed and do the things that have to be done, even though we don't maybe wanna do the things right.
I feel like that's where the fierceness comes for me,
and it can be, it can go back and forth.
And I think also the need or the need for somebody who is oftentimes, over my lifetime, I would definitely say I've been a peacekeeper. I've been [00-04-00] that people pleaser person. And that fierce tapping into that fierceness has helped me.
So I just don't get walked on,
And that I do get to say what I need to say, be taken seriously and be able to let my voice be heard.
so I think there's also that piece of it too.
on. can you maybe tell us a bit more on your journey with fierce love life? Cuz it sounds a lot of times, I know in my life, in my line of work too, we often create the things that we need for ourselves. could you explain maybe a time when that wasn't blended properly to use your words, and how you.
Came upon the, this idea of, needing the, these different energies in order to be in the world and be present and a presence.
Oh, gosh. This question Shawn,
oh. Only the questions an introvert will be willing to ask. I tell you [00-05-00] what, Oh, I feel
it's been a lifetime in the making and really the fair self of life is honestly like the birthing of a child for me. And I haven't birthed biological children. I am a stepmom to a few and a grandmother to more, and.
So I don't know the physical, actual experience of birthing something from my being like that. However, I can tell you that fair self life is my child. Like it is a child for me, like it has been in the womb, has been cultivated for a long time, has been through the fire, through the excitement, through all of the fun things, through all of the pains, and she's coming out.
And it, I would, and it, and I wouldn't say that it's only one experience. I think it's been an accumulation of experiences throughout [00-06-00] the last many years of my life, and I think my earliest experience, My mom was diagnosed with breast cancer when
it's like stage
four breast cancer when I was seven years old.
not to just go deep and heavy right away, but that is the foundation really of the fierce love life.
because part of That me watching that, seeing that witnessing, that being a part of that experience, which was about a 20 year journey for her, really did teach me that this life that we've been given, that we've been granted really, honestly, we've been granted this like chunk of existence for however long we get to be here.
That it is sacred, it is holy, and it is nothing to take advantage of. And. To be able to watch somebody that you love dearly struggle for so long, really did make me appreciate that every day is a gift. And I know that people say that kind of flippantly, but [00-07-00] really it is. And being able to take the, take
that That a little bit sassiness and really just grab every day, by the horns and be like, we're doing this today.
And, instead of just, because I think it's really, the name of this podcast is Meaningful Revolution and it's hard to, I think it's sometimes it's hard for us to wake up every day. Wanting to grab it by the horns and just ride full force. And some days you feel like that when you wake up and sometimes you don't.
And I think the meaningful revolution is about trying to cultivate that more frequently. And I do think it's something that we do have to cultivate. I think
from the very early days of my life, I feel like I started to see how if you don't cultivate that you can just lose
it. And so your words
for it are meaningful revolution.
My words for it is fierce love life. And they really are synonymous in so many ways. [00-08-00] And, it's creating meaning, it's creating impact, it's creating, intention,
and how we wanna live and how, we wanna exist and treat other people. And so I have a lot of other examples of things, but I think that's a good place to start.
Awesome. I'm sorry about that experience. I, having, my mom when I was six was diagnosed with bra breast cancer too, and she ended up surviving, but Kema was really rough on her and It caused health problems down we don't need to get into that super I'm curious then, as you've been working and building on fierce love life, like what do you think are like the main characteristics of someone in the movement?
If you have a avatar or. The type of client or customer that you are looking to help empower in special[00-09-00]
So the typical person that I work with is the soulfully badass person who is a little bit sciencey, a little bit woo. loves the magic of the world,
maybe they've been hiding that for a little while too. I find that they, I definitely attract people that are a little. in that aspect.
but a lot of the time they life has thrown them a curve ball. They've been thrown off course in some way. maybe they've had a change in their relationship status or in their job or their health. Sometimes they have, like kids have left home so they're like empty nesters for the
or, or also.
They just know that there's, they just, they feel somewhat unfulfilled and just know that there is more to life and they want that, like they wanna, but they don't know how to get it or what to do about it, or they've lost so much of themselves along the way. That part of my work is really helping to just bring them back into themselves and being able to, I say that I, one of my greatest gifts, being [00-10-00] able to shine the light into the spaces that people forgot love existed
That really is one of my greatest gifts, and I love being able to share that with people and to be able to help people with that process.
And that could, that could mean that maybe they've experienced, this, maybe this had just had, have had a hardship in their life. Maybe they've experienced some kind of trauma. Maybe they just are just feeling blah, right? Like they just I call it the messy, mundane, they're like stuck in the middle of the messy, mundane and they just don't
It just feels like they need to wiggle out of this
And yeah, so the work I do is to help 'em through that process and, reconnect with themselves and through sacred ritual and holy ceremony.
on. Yeah. I love, like in the way that I've thought about this for myself, I like to call it the call to adventure.
And I know I've had it a bunch of times in my life
You're in life and you're like, how did I get here? Is this really the life [00-11-00] that I wanna be
And then the
is to be like, oh, I can do something about this. and,I think we both, in a way help people bridge that gap of okay, there
needs to be a change.
How do I.
that out in the world, whether it's changing what I'm doing or changing particular relationships or all the
people generally in life find meaning in. yeah. with that said, I was a bit curious. I guess the next best question here then is, what.
It's really been lighting your fire recently. Yeah. I'm curious like in your work or how you're approaching it, like what's really getting you excited or really getting you like, pumped about the world, in your work or I guess personal life either.
Oh God. These questions, Sean, I
it's just gets me right here.
what I've been like, [00-12-00] my greatest call to adventure
and What I'm super stoked about
recently is, oh gosh. I'm on the verge of like excitement and crying all at the same time,
you ask me a question.
but recently in the last about month, I actually resigned from the job that I've
had for 16
and a half, almost 17 years, and have been making really good money at it.
And yet where I was not the place for me to be anymore. And I have been building fierce love life for years now, on the side, on the back burner in the dark hours and or in the we hours, sometimes dark hours. So
been cultivating it and creating it, it's been the side hustle in essence.
and so my, I think my greatest call to adventure right now, and
that I'm super stoked about
fact that I
Full-time [00-13-00] now when sometimes more than full-time. and the adventure is really like continually doing all of the hard things. Yeah.
I'm using that like hashtag adulting hard today
because I feel like every,
there's so many things within that process that are just like, oh my gosh, so much.
Not my normal world of how my brain works.
And so every
day it's oh no, I have to go do with deal with tech. Oh no, I have to get on the phone with the website people. Oh no, I've gotta figure out how to
with this video. Oh no. Like it's all
the things, that
like my brain is ah,
And I'm just, I'm okay with it. Like
I'm learning to
just be okay with it because I recognize that moving through those things and like figuring those things out and just doing them or getting the help that I need to get through them is what is enabling me to be able to get my workout in the world.
And honestly, at the moment, like there is nothing [00-14-00] more that excites me, more than that, than to be able to know that I can. I get to put more work out there to be able to help and impact
greater good and to create positive, change and to provide my special, unique, like assistance in the
So that is like my greatest adventure right now.
on. and we, For the people listening. We talk often about how we're putting all
out in the world and stuff. we're part of our little like business group as business professionals.
which is hilarious. Okay. that is awesome. and, I. Really excited to see all the things that are coming for you on that.
I wanna say something really quick. I don't wanna interrupt you, but I just
Go for it.
it. Yeah. I wanna
say something else about that, that I think will help, might help, people that are listening to this, because this isn't just about oh, I just did, [00-15-00] I just, resigned from one thing and I'm just going to do my other thing.
But I wanna speak to a little bit about the. Struggle of having, of being in something that you know is not
thing that's your real thing or that is not your complete thing. or that again, it's that transitional space. It's that messy, mundane or that just getting knocked off course a little bit where you feel like that is not the place that your soul is supposed to be living.
Whatever that looks like for you and.
I struggled with that for, I'm talking, it's
been some years
people, and so the willingness and the struggle and just acknowledging if you're in a place of I don't really know what to do now, or how to shift or move out
The willingness and the ability to finally take your, take yourself into this next phase, taking a few more steps [00-16-00] in the direction
wanna go, whatever that looks like. like the freedom,
like what's on
the other side of that
freedom for me and for most anybody else I've talked to about this and really like continually answering the call.
Of what does my soul want now? what is the next thing that my soul wants me to do? What is the next thing? And the contentment and the freedom of letting go of those things that have been holding
us back, whatever that
might look like for you is
really like part
of the whole point of that, part of the journey.
so I just, I, we've ta. I don't need to talk about all the struggle and all
and all the things, but there was a boatload of that. I can just
Assure you of
all of that. But it's like that joy and happiness and contentment
that is felt on the other side of that super scary cliff[00-17-00]
at the moment. It's totally worth it.
So I don't
like share that without at least sharing that piece, like the gifts on the other side or in the middle of the journey.
celebrating and honoring those things too, because they are something that also gets to be,
Yeah, and I think,
and let me know if we
this out or not, and I think a crucial part of this story too is you left a family business. So there's relationships that are involved, that are impacted with. People presumably you care about, yes.
that journey, if anyone is thinking I need to switch a situation.
but you don't get it cuz it's not easy. Like I can just say being, your friend for, the last couple years, regularly talking with
how taxing this journey has been. I know how. [00-18-00] Much you've struggled with thinking through what's the right way to go forward and you talk about spending so many years trying to make that decision.
I, I think the thing that you didn't say is like that is probably a huge consideration with building it with family members. And you won't get into more specifics than that, but it's amazing
that, that call of adventure, like I like to say of, okay, now is the time to make the move is where your fierceness and sassiness is, as you would say, came out to implement that change.
And I just, I wanna Honor it just as a friend, like I guess publicly, cuz why not? But it is quite amazing and I feel like so many people have that journey. I know that. When I've left, like I left Apple in 2019, it's the best job I ever had. And the struggle for a year and a half was, why would I leave something so
Yeah. [00-19-00] something that I had wanted for a lot of my life and it's I have this
in my belly for something more, and that should be celebrated too. if that's the call, but, I know it was a
you and I, again, I'm super excited that you have stepped
fully and have been very graceful in okay, like
video's not clicking today and that's cool.
Or, oh, this stupid computer, or what, whatever it is, Oh, Kajabi,
WordPress. Oh, WordPress.
Yeah. Or Shopify or Kajabi. I get all
of 'em like, yay me. Yeah. No, so thank you. Like I do appreciate the acknowledgement of that. And it is, that did lay add a very, like complicated
my decisions for sure, and some of my most important relationships are tied up in that, we're tied up in that company, and still are actually, and so[00-20-00]
and yet that is still life, right?
Like I don't think any of us. I don't know anybody on
or that is, or in my periphery,in my people, within my people circle. I don't know anybody that's not, that doesn't have some sort of complicated, layer to something, right? To a relationship or to a, to an experience that they're living.
And so I, and I get that sometimes those things
to explain to the outside world. Sometimes things look really easy. From the outside world, like o other people looking in and,
there might be a lot of judgment or a lot of criticism and why don't you just get out? Or why don't you
why don't you just leave?
Or, I don't, or worse sometimes is, it's not so bad, why don't you
that's not, it's not
so terrible. what's your problem? get
paid well, you get, you get time when you want it, blah, blah, blah. you've got, it's pretty plush and trust me, I've heard it all right?
I've heard all of the criticisms from all the different spectrums and really what it comes down to in a little nutshell, [00-21-00] like the thing that I think is the most important that I have learned over the years, and again, this has taken a lot of reconfiguring on my, for myself, is what does my heart actually wanna do?
And what is my heart saying? What does my being need? What does. My soul need, like what do I like, what do I physically need? Like for
my mental, emotional, mental, spiritual wellness,
do I actually need? Because I know that I got so stretch, spread out, stretched out, right?
Of my and when in, in doing that, when we get stretched
like I lost sight of my own self.
Along the way, and then trying to figure out what I actually needed was really hard.
like, I don't know. Who am I? What do I need to do now? I don't know. So I get that it's not as a simple question as go where your soul is leading you, and it is also that
simple. I get
that getting [00-22-00] to that place is not simple sometimes, but I do also know that our soul does not lie.
Our heart does not lie, and our bodies do not lie. And so if you, if any of the people are listening to this find themselves in a position where their health is going down the tubes,
feeling yucky or just icky and uncomfortable and ew. or again, simply there is just more to this life.
Like I, maybe you can't pinpoint it or name it or whatever.
then that is,
your soul's nagging. Your heart's nagging you is to
Shift something in your world. It doesn't even have to be big things. It can be little baby steps. take one step in the direction of that voice and of that calling
one tiny thing.
Maybe it's to go and buy yourself flowers, right? Maybe it's to go take yourself out on a walk in the woods so you can hear yourself again for a minute. So maybe you can listen to the birds or maybe you can [00-23-00] hear the sound of your own breath. For a minute. Sometimes it's those things like it's the littlest things and the littlest baby steps.
It doesn't have to be these
leaps into the next chapter. It can just be simply write the next letter of the next word.
It doesn't have to be
the whole, a whole thing, right? And it's the baby steps that get us back to who we are usually. And answering that call of the Soul or the call to adventure is about that.
it'll,and tuning into how you get that information and what that call is. And maybe, some of the ways that shows up is sometimes it's in a dream,
right? Sometimes, you know my story
sometimes it's like it wakes you up in the middle of the night and you're like, what's that even about?
Maybe you don't even need to know what it's about. Maybe you just need to go do the thing.
mine was to go make rainbow cakes. why? I don't
know. I still love doing
that. maybe it's about maybe you just have a, like a thing that sparks [00-24-00] in your mind one day that you know, you, you need to go paint and you're like, I don't even paint.
try it out. Go
a cheap set of the grocery store. go finger paint if you want. so it's a lot of the time I think it's just following some of those things that seem really random. And they're not, I don't believe they're random. I don't believe they're random anymore. I believe that they're our souls, our soul talking to us, or our heart talking to us.
It's that longing and that spark talking to us. It's that call to adventure, and
necessarily always show up how we think it's going to. In fact, I would say 90% of the time it doesn't show up
how we think
it's gonna show up at all.
Definitely. And I also
maybe I. Culturally, at least here in the states, you're so often told not to follow it.
It's not the safe way, it's not Right. You're an adult. Why would you finger paint?
are you into like glitter, sparkle unicorns? because they're awesome. They're, they are [00-25-00] awesome. and at the end of the day, I think part of what I'm hoping to accomplish with these conversations is to help give people permission to follow that voice,
to say So I have this crazy idea and it's probably not gonna work. And that's okay. Like you don't have to stick the landing every time you try to do a flip, Yeah. Half of the fun is tumbling and, feeling the ridiculousness of the situation or realizing that you look pretty silly when you try to do a somersault and you only do it halfway and it kinda looks like a cartoon,
and, Basically, yeah, I see what you think about this.
But my feeling is like life is hard and life can be harsh and we have a choice every day to pursue something that we find meaning in, that we find fulfilling. And life can be hard and harsh while we're doing it, but at least we have a chance to be happy versus doing the [00-26-00] things that are expected or are told of us.
And. Having our souls crushed and then life being hard and harsh As you go with it. So you have a choice to have that chance to at least find that sense of calm or inspiration or excitement in life or not, and I feel like fear of life is aligned with that also, but,
what are your thoughts on
I think it's a hundred percent true.
I totally agree with you on that. I think
one of. So I have two main things on that. So one is about curiosity and one is really about the why. When I think about the why of why the work that we do is so important is because I feel like I came into this world a pretty like pretty sparkly person, right?
Like I was, I don't think I was like an ornery kid or anything like that. Like I loved the magic of life from the very beginnings of my memories
always wanted to suck the [00-27-00] marrow out of
life, right? And
I found that life along the way, or people within the life that we live, don't always want you to be right, a sparkly, happy person.
They don't want you to be a joyful person. and there's a way of life that just
it knocks it, it just knocks us. It knocks the goodness out of us, right? To a certain degree. there's just, there's so much stuff that happens on this planet that is not amazing,
not pleasant, that is horrible and harsh and
that is also just part of life. I think as humans we make it a lot harder sometimes.
un. And don't need to be so mean, about stuff. But that is just some people, right? And now, and really Mother Nature, right? hello Tornadoes. Hello Hurricanes. Hello Earthquakes.
Hello. Tidal waves. mother Nature can
a very distinct cleansing [00-28-00] force. So within our nature there
that, right? Which is also where that fearness comes from. But I say that in that, One of the reasons why I think that
that we do, and I say you like as in you and I and people is that I wanna be able to help like the people that I love the most and my niece is always like my go-to of my why.
I wanna be able to help that spirit of her
That beautiful, golden,
Gorgeous spirit of her to be able to be as bright and as shiny and as sparkly as she possibly can be without life trying to knock it out of her. that's
it comes right down to it,
wanna be able to try to impart as many skills, tools,
mindset, shifts, ways of existing and living and
that help that even though life can knock it, try to knock it out of us, that she can still keep rising.
And that I can still keep rising. That you can still keep rising and we can still, like you said, find that joy and that [00-29-00] love and that happiness in those moments, even if it looks like a hot mess, right? Even if it's superpower or painful. And I also wanna say that's not bypassing the pain. There are ways to get through things.
The only way to the other side of a painful or traumatic experience is through it.
We can't bypass it with positive thinking. We can't bypass it with an a mantra or an affirmation. We can't bypass it by ignoring it.
it by sweeping it under the rug. Like we can't dress it up. if it's a fiery ass dragon and we try to dress it up like a, princess,
it's still a fiery ass dragon underneath,
deal with the dragon.
And so I think part of it is being able to cultivate and utilize,
understand and learn different ways of existing within this life that can really be nasty sometimes and beautiful all at the same time. But learning the different skills, learning the different D, learning different ways to exist.
Sometimes it's for survival, sometimes it's for [00-30-00] coping, and sometimes it's to thrive, right?
there's just a spectrum of those tools and the more that
learn and. Use them and utilize them, then yeah. The more times that we're able to take those icky things and be able to see those glimmers of
in them, and then be able to u and use that light to be able to help deal with that other mucky stuff, and so I think that's important.
is really why I love doing what I do
with people. and then I think I don't know if I said this on our first podcast together, but I think I mentioned Elizabeth Gilbert and her discussing, curiosity and in, in that the call to adventure and finding it. a meaningful experience in our life or creating that me meaningful revolution and about that it's not always about finding our quote unquote purpose, that it is oftentimes simply about [00-31-00] following the curiosities.
So we've been talking about the call of adventure or being woken up in the middle of the night by a random dream or by random prompting during the day, and we're like, what is this? Sometimes there are some people that will not ever find their actual. Quote, unquote, purpose, right? that is just how it is with people, right?
not everybody's gonna find that quote unquote great purpose. However, like if we follow those promptings of our hearts and our souls in the middle of the night promptings, or the, daytime, whatever, or that niggling,
at the very least we will have followed our curiosities and at the end of our life, if nothing else, even if we didn't find our purpose. At the very end of the day, we've at least found this beautiful life. we've lived a beautiful life full of interesting curiosities,
which is totally also amazing and cool, and helps charge the battery on a regular basis to help deal with inevitability of life oftentimes being just a kick in the
pants [00-32-00] sometimes.
So all of that, yeah, I just
part of. What it's about, right?
Like totally. I love the, idea of curiosity and the way that I, I view it is
a great way to redirect energy. so you might have a lot of that,
as you're talking, I was imagining like different channels, like depending on what happens, like being curious about things so often.
Can stop us from feeling negative emotions because we're switching the part of our brain from a emotional reactiveness to, exploring. And a lot of
we've experienced and we learn about and we're like, oh, this is really cool, is really, again, just a different perspective, a different way of approaching it to then, Incorporated into our lives, right?
Again, it's not, sugarcoating things or [00-33-00] ignoring things. it's more of how do I take the cards that were given to me and play the best hand possible? and when you can do that, you actually can win some hands that maybe you shouldn't have. And that's, there's a
joy in that, For sure. but yeah, I
love that. That value of curiosity and how it can really serve you from, to fiercely go after
what you need to,
in life. Yeah.
sure. I love it.
All that said, we've been going jamming for quite a bit, as we do, as I, I was actually going to ask you real quick, so something I've been really thinking of, and I know you've had some thoughts and this is gonna seem like a completely like left field question,
but something I've really been.
Thinking about and focusing about recently has been how, as we do our things that are meaningful, we have new tools accessible to us, and
[00-34-00] And sometimes they're frustrating or whatnot. But, when you think about living a fierce love life, do you, what are some of the, like more cutting edge things that you've been.
or thinking of, I was gonna ask you about AI and stuff that
particularly, pertinent to this conversation right here, but that
how do you accelerate that, that fierceness, that feeling of love and that feeling of taking life by the horns.
so many ways I could go with that one. there's so many directions, Part of it. I, again, I think it, it's coming back to
like blending of
pieces, right? So you mentioned ai,
and then also, which I've used this week and also
this week. Awesome. I
have been. [00-35-00] Practicing. I like, I just signed up for a ceremonial drum class
and how to play,
how to learn, how to play my ceremonial drums that I have.
And as both ways, right? Both things are heightening the experience of living that fierce love life
and in different ways. One is getting way more rooted into like tradition. The other one is
this interesting interplay like literally just this week and about how both of those things
to fuel this, movement and machine, so to
my life. So it is interesting,and for me, I think that's what it's going to continually look like. think that I will
come down, come back to utilizing
of ancient ancestors, of ancient practices, of our roots. And our core and our d n a
and mixing it and utilizing what I feel like is the best pieces of the technology to help that come forward.
And I think I, because really ultimately the goal is to be able to get our messages out there. In as many ways as maybe can be possible because it is like throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks. So there's a part of us that needs a little bit more help doing that cuz like at the end of the day, we're like a human being right.
all of this. So I think,
how it both of those helped to amplify the message and amplify the ability of. Getting those things out there. and I'll, so I'll [00-37-00] use this as an example because it, this was one of the things that I, so I learned during this little, this, the first class for the drumming that we could use, I use a mantra meditation
In my coaching with people.
And I learned that we could drum that af basically that mantra.
And in doing the drumming of those mantras, whatever you wanna choose, you can choose your own or whatever. That helps shift the theta brain waves. So that it opens us up to a more receptive place, and that's often why ceremonial? not to give a whole thing, but why ceremonial drumming is used for, I do shamanic journeys with people and ceremonies with people.
And why that's used is because it does open up and quiet down. It's basically gets you into a meditative spa space very quickly. And it's been used traditionally like that for. Thousands of years, right? Hundreds of thousands of years probably. And when we take [00-38-00] something more quote unquote modern,
like a mantra or a positive affirmation, and you utilize the drumming to basically drum it.
Into the body, it then starts to resonate in this completely different way because we're way more open to it. So from a cellular level, we're shifting the ability of that mantra to be able to come into our being and start to infiltrate at a very distinct like cellular d n a structural level, which could, in a regular world without the ancient drum, could maybe take five months.
I'm just saying I don't know, and maybe this only takes. Five days or five minutes. And I feel like AI
is a way to take the same thing like a sa like maybe it's gonna it's taking lots of comp complex information, simplifying it down, and then spitting it out in a few seconds.
Or a minute. I
don't think anything's
taken a minute so far that I put in their link,
but [00-39-00] seconds.
So it's taking this thing, so it's like the assimilation process can happen quicker.
the content that we're putting out or trying to create, right? Maybe I, I, it took me, I'm gonna say about a year to create the website content that I wrote myself for my website.
I could have potentially saved myself about 11 and a
a half months.
By putting stuff into ai, like into the, chat G B T or whatever, and like pulling it out and utilizing it. Or better yet, I can take things that I've already written
then disseminate them in different ways
a lot faster. So at the end of the day, it can be more effective, it can be assimilated quicker, and more of my messaging can get out there in a variety of different ways that'll help it land with people.
So that's kinda
the long, bizarre story of how that works. But
that's how I can see it working and it's gonna keep doing like the mixing in the mixing. It's
It's [00-40-00] just gonna
be like a little bit of this, a little bit of that. It's another spice in the recipe.
Definitely. I love that.
I was talking with somebody else recently, another mutual friend, Patrick Moser. Who's been on the podcast. Really? Fa shout out Patrick.
Fantastic. Yeah. Shout out Patrick.
and he was like,
the one question we should be asking is like, where's the humanity in these tools?
And I really liked that question. and to just hype what you were saying,
it's a. It's a tool that can
human ability, as Steve Jobs said that the computer was a bicycle for the mind. I think this is like a rocket ship. When used properly.
and again, there's a light and dark side to any thing that we're doing, but, How does this amplify that the human side,of what we're doing is super, super important. Sorry to throw that like didn't really feel like it fit in the conversation. I had it on a question I wanted to ask.
I actually thought most of the today's conversation was going to be on AI or we [00-41-00] just went into fierce love life and that was, Super duper amazing. So sometimes you take the opportunity that life throws at you.
I'm okay with that because I think that it's cuz I know that you and I have had a lot
using AI and some of the, scaries of it, right? Like some of the trepidation or some of the concerns that I know lots
people have. I know I'm not the only one.
And we have talked about it from the place of.
at my core I'm a creative, right? I'm an artist. I'm a creative,
love writing, I love painting. I love working with my hands. I love getting my hands dirty. this is, it is an integral part of who I am. And so from the space of when we've discussed AI before, I was more concerned about how does the creative process stay true to the
opposed to it being computerized in some respect or being like over, over teched. and I don't really have a great answer to that [00-42-00] except for I feel like,like in the drum example that I use,
there's, it's a tool, right? It's a tool to amplify and to create. An expedited experience, so to speak.
And it can come in a lot of different forms, and I don't think that we're clearly not done having the conversation about AI as a culture yet, or as a society or
anything else like that.
we're just barely beginning. And
knows, we might be having a very different conversation a year from
now about it.
but I am excited about, from the creative perspective. I am really excited about how it can help me as a creative person get more of what's in my brain and my being out.
Because as a creative person too, sometimes a problem is being able to get it all out
and in a timely fashion, right? And
it can stay jumbled in the brain for a really long time,
or, trapped inside this
body of ours.
And [00-43-00] so I, that's one of the things I look forward to it helping with.
and so I, I, and I get that it comes with this issues and, that's a story for
But, yeah, I don't know. I think it's exciting and I think it'll be interesting.
and I do think it does help with
me, the most exciting thing about it is that it can help amplify my message.
Your message, those of our people, right? That are,
That wanna put
good out in the world to be able to,
Get more of what's in us out in a more timely fashion. So things just don't take so dang long because as a one human solopreneur type of
like we need a little help. Like it's like a, it's a little assistant on the side and we all could use some assistance in our world of helping life again, helping that, Kind of clunky, hard part of life be a little bit easier. Like we can embrace it for the ease of things instead of just thinking that we have [00-44-00] to struggle, fight, and hustle and grind our way through everything. Like I'm really not about that. I really am about like, how do we do this with more grace and ease?
How can we do this life with more grace and ease? Sometimes we need to put a little spice in there. That's okay. And I feel like AI has the ability to help us again used. Responsibly,
or with, love, that it can help us
create more grace and ease within those
so that we're not,
again, like sitting our, in our rooms, like bashing our head against the wall, like trying to think of the words or do the thing and be able to get it out there.
I think it's, I don't think it really was a one off. I don't think it's like a total like, came outta left field kind of conversation about ai. But and I do know, like I. This podcast can now, right the transcript of this podcast for any of the other entrepreneurs that are, talking
listening,the transcript of this could be taken and
Sean and I can use it.
You guys can't, but we can. cause it's our information, not your [00-45-00] information, but it's our information that we could
then put into, use it to multiply the message, right? Within socials and, blog posts and all those other things like taking some of those gems and utilizing those in a different way and, multiplying it
in a lot quicker way than we could have before.
we absolutely there what would take me four to six hours to format and get all
up and social media posts. I can now do an under an hour because of these tools. So yeah, that's exciting
and that's fun,
right? And okay. And so again, like then what do you get to do? So if that would've taken you four hours and now it's gonna take you one, you now have three hours,
That you've basically been gifted for the day.
Or the week or whatever, and it's think of all of the fun things that you can now do at that time that you maybe didn't have before.[00-46-00]
think of all of the like, and that's how I would like to think about it is how much more fun, beautiful, awesome stuff do I get to go do or share
now? Because I wasn't
Spending those four hours, it only took me one. And so now there's three more hours that I get to do something else amazing with, whether it's just for my own self
And happiness. Which I
think we've lost a lot of, but I think we're starting to get some of that back
the last few years.
Yeah. or, spend that time with your kids or your spouse or your dog, or your cat or your self. or creating a few more pieces of content for something else you wanna do. so yeah,
in some ways it's like a cool joy
Yeah. Definitely, it's an amplifier.
the things that you would do normally you're gonna do more of cuz you'll have more time potentially.
and I [00-47-00] absolutely love that. Okay. With all of that said
what, where can people follow up with you? What are some things that you're working on that people can get involved with so they can themselves join
love life revolution.
they can find me on Instagram at Fierce Love
They can also find [email protected]
I have that links to my Shopify store cuz I have physical products, I have online offerings, I do mentoring. I call myself a spiritual and holistic
mentor. So I have
all sorts of offerings that fit into that.
Yeah, that's where they can find me, because that's where everything's living right now.
the baby that's being birthed.
I actually have twins.
I've got twins being birthed. I've got that website that's linked
Shopify store. So the first twins been born. I'm just waiting for the second one to come on out, but by, probably by the time this episode comes out, [00-48-00] it will have been fully birthed,
Hallelujah. Indeed, my friend. Okay, so
said, thank you for
if you are listening and you enjoyed this conversation, check out
of the earlier episodes, one of the,
I think you were
the first three or five.
I was an og. I was a meaningful revolution og.
.Go check that conversation out if you haven't already.
And with that folks, we will see you in the next episode of the Meaningful Revolution podcast.
Thank you, Shawn